new cycle

**Stewie** · #1 (**permalink**) 02-23-2008, 07:37 AM

week 1-8 deca 500mgs/w
week 1-4 anadrol 20 mgs/d
week 8-13 tren a 75mgs eod
week 8-13 test p 100mgs eod
week 13-18 clomid 50mgs ed
week 13-18 nolva 20mgs ed

currently 5'8
182ish

looking to hit 225

**stone420** · #2 (**permalink**) 02-23-2008, 02:23 PM

To start with you have no test for the first 8 weeks. All cycles should be based around some kind of test. Running deca for only 8 weeks is a waste. it doesn't even fully kick in for 5-6 weeks. Also when running deca before tren I like to give the deca a few weeks to clear my system before starting tren. This way the overlap doesn't cause a big jump in progestins.

**Stewie** · #3 (**permalink**) 02-23-2008, 06:52 PM

no i ran deca before, i can tolerate it without test

**Stewie** · #4 (**permalink**) 02-23-2008, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stone420

To start with you have no test for the first 8 weeks. All cycles should be based around some kind of test. Running deca for only 8 weeks is a waste. it doesn't even fully kick in for 5-6 weeks. Also when running deca before tren I like to give the deca a few weeks to clear my system before starting tren. This way the overlap doesn't cause a big jump in progestins.

a long estered test would take 4-5 weeks to kick in too just so you know!

**scottish** · #5 (**permalink**) 02-24-2008, 01:01 AM

IMO I would bump the deca to 12 weeks min. Start test on week one, and maybe jump start with dbol..

**stone420** · #6 (**permalink**) 02-24-2008, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie

a long estered test would take 4-5 weeks to kick in too just so you know!

Of course i know that, LMAO. I didn't suggest running a long ester test for 8 weeks either, that would be stupid.

**Stewie** · #7 (**permalink**) 02-24-2008, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottish

IMO I would bump the deca to 12 weeks min. Start test on week one, and maybe jump start with dbol..

dbol would be better to run a long deca or to kickstart i figured

**stone420** · #8 (**permalink**) 02-24-2008, 02:41 PM

Deca 1-12 -test 1-13 with a d-bol kickstart is the bread and butter mass builder. considering your size and where you would like to be i would stick to mainly bulking cycles until you have reached the weight you want to be, then lean up. It is much easier to put on size if you don't try to lean up after every cycle. this is where so many lose the biggest part of their gains. I carried around some extra padding for a year but in the end it was worth it. I am 5'7" 220 lbs right now, about 3 lbs. bigger than my avatar. anything you want to know just ask bro if I can help I would be more than happy to.
Stone

**beck26** · #9 (**permalink**) 02-24-2008, 04:47 PM

i agree w/stone on this one.

**Stewie** · #10 (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stone420

Deca 1-12 -test 1-13 with a d-bol kickstart is the bread and butter mass builder. considering your size and where you would like to be i would stick to mainly bulking cycles until you have reached the weight you want to be, then lean up. It is much easier to put on size if you don't try to lean up after every cycle. this is where so many lose the biggest part of their gains. I carried around some extra padding for a year but in the end it was worth it. I am 5'7" 220 lbs right now, about 3 lbs. bigger than my avatar. anything you want to know just ask bro if I can help I would be more than happy to.
Stone

thanks stone
ill go with streching out the deca to 10 weeks
but without the test, only because i have test p and would like to keep that
for the tren part which is sometime around week 13

so...
week 1-5 dbol
week 1-10 deca
week 13-18 test p and tren a