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Old 03-23-2008, 05:08 PM
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I know this is something that we all ready know as we are our on test subjects but I thought I would post this to give credence to use. This unlike the meta analysis article on gH that condemns it's use in athletes. Is a well designed study supra physiologically dosing "normal" men.


The effects of supra physiologic doses of testosterone on muscle size and strength in normal men.Bhasin S, Storer TW, Berman N, Callegari C, Clevenger B, Phillips J, Bunnell TJ, Tricker R, Shirazi A, Casaburi R.
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BACKGROUND: Athletes often take androgenic steroids in an attempt to increase their strength. The efficacy of these substances for this purpose is unsubstantiated, however. METHODS: We randomly assigned 43 normal men to one of four groups: placebo with no exercise; testosterone with no exercise; placebo plus exercise; and testosterone plus exercise. The men received injections of 600 mg of testosterone enanthate or placebo weekly for 10 weeks. The men in the exercise groups performed standardized weight-lifting exercises three times weekly. Before and after the treatment period, fat-free mass was determined by underwater weighing, muscle size was measured by magnetic resonance imaging, and the strength of the arms and legs was assessed by bench-press and squatting exercises, respectively. RESULTS: Among the men in the no-exercise groups, those given testosterone had greater increases than those given placebo in muscle size in their arms (mean [+/-SE] change in triceps area, 424 +/- 104 vs. -81 +/- 109 square millimeters; P < 0.05) and legs (change in quadriceps area, 607 +/- 123 vs. -131 +/- 111 square millimeters; P < 0.05) and greater increases in strength in the bench-press (9 +/- 4 vs. -1 +/- 1 kg, P < 0.05) and squatting exercises (16 +/- 4 vs. 3 +/- 1 kg, P < 0.05). The men assigned to testosterone and exercise had greater increases in fat-free mass (6.1 +/- 0.6 kg) and muscle size (triceps area, 501 +/- 104 square millimeters; quadriceps area, 1174 +/- 91 square millimeters) than those assigned to either no-exercise group, and greater increases in muscle strength (bench-press strength, 22 +/- 2 kg; squatting-exercise capacity, 38 +/- 4 kg) than either no-exercise group. Neither mood nor behavior was altered in any group. CONCLUSIONS: Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone, especially when combined with strength training, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men.PMID: 8637535 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Old 03-23-2008, 05:39 PM
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Neither mood nor behavior was altered in any group.
I know nobody that has ever actually had roid rage. Tren made them cranky (including myself), but always controled. Roid Rage is a Myth. If ones a prick, he'll always be a prick on juice or not..

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CONCLUSIONS: Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone, especially when combined with strength training, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men.
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Hey Sean
Totally agree. I have been wanting to post this for awhile. There are 4 publish articles that contradict this finding but many others that support. I will say that if you have an underlying psychiatric illness supraphysiological dosing has shown those symptoms to present. But in my opinion that is a good thing as it will hopefully get the person in care to treat.

As well, testosterone has been very beneficial in those individuals with depression. Part of good screening by a provider with a person (male or female) over the age of 40 would be to screen for hypogonadal dysfunction. Once treated with test to bring them back to normal levels hopefully the depression will have been lifted. If not, anti-depressants should be used. However, a continuation of the hormone replacement should be continued.
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Test assuredly helps my depression,
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helps my depression as well
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I Am Very Much In Support Of Supraphysiological Levels Of ASS!
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